Linda Kasabian grew up in New England, dropped out of high school and drifted around the country. The only possible explanation, is that on that particular day she forgot it back on the ranch and only brought her library card.Give the absolutely weak explanation for her being involved by the prosecutor. The charges against her were dropped when she agreed to attend a drug counselling session. document.write(''); BUT Bugliosi said she (only she oddly) thought it was a creepy crawl mission. She chose to be the way she was and then she eventually became the same kind of parent that Diane and Ruth had.So Sad. Ask yourself: if her story is not accurate why didn't she just tell the truth? That said there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wants (and gets away with it). Linda Kasabian falls prey to the hypnotic charms of Charles Manson and his self-proclaimed "family" during the drug-fueled summer of 1969. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. Matt saidAmazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trialDuring the trial, she was asked a number of times about her licence. You are trained, instead, to focus on "indicia of credibility and reliability". She did drugs with her child and basically spent her whole life making sure that her child would have the most stressful and illegal life possible. But it's slippery ground to go with either, if you want to keep Charlie out of all this. Add steady hard drugs and food deprivation= a group of absolute savagesDon't waste your tears for Linda and Leslie. She said Manson supposedly announced it was "time" (seemingly out of the blue) for Helter Skelter. The figures show that 86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races. He also went on to say that he preferred Linda as she hadn't killed anyone but because of the grand jury deal, was stuck with Susan.Interestingly, even with Susan, he simply had no case against Linda. Linda purposely brought Sadie and Clem to the wrong door, and the mission was aborted. var part1 = "matt"; There have also been a number of stories of the appalling way some care workers have treated the residents so this has also unfairly soured their general image in the minds of many. !STAY OUT OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST!! ]MR.BUGLIOSI: It is not a compound question, it is one single question. He said he surmised it was the reason. But my days of name calling with strangers are over, and I don't want to take any focus off this amazing first time effort from Dreath.:). I gotta disagree with you on that one. Over here in Englang, 'moving the goal posts' can mean altering the rules/argument as and when one feels like it. It was the general consensus at the end of '69/start of '70 that the prosecution had a very weak case. Parent.2. But that wasn't what that was about.It isn't so much a case of lying about witness as much as emphasizing anything positive you can find lurking in the scum. And so on.Linda Kasabian is one of the standard knocking posts of TLB. You can correct me on that one. Note all the white faces. Robert,Thank you for the clarification. Hardly surprising given the dramatic nature of the cast of characters. Why not that? Credible doesn't always equal reliable and vice versa. Her most interesting revelation on it came actually during the Watson trial, when HS is not emphasized the way it was in the TLB trial. I couldn't find any objective evidence of that arrest but there is at least one more. In a sense, Helter Skelter and Susan Atkins developed as parallel lines during the investigation. I have also enjoyed all of the comments related to this postlove all of the insights. It'll take a while for me to digest it. I'm not saying the 'Linda kites in Charlie speak' didn't happen, just that I don't believe that had anything to do with Susan recanting. Manson himself went inside and tied the victims and then left along with her and few others instructing the rest of the family members to kill them. That's not the way I use it at all. But to be fair, there are quite a few times throughout the original trial where stuff from Family members appears to be translated from Japanese into Russian into French into Balilese into English ! They were both into really wild shit long before meeting Charlie. She spent her whole life getting into trouble. The good guys are the victims, the bad guys are the killers. If she just forgot it at home, I suspect it would be mentioned as having "No license" or "without".Oh and $150,000 sold confession, book deal and promise of immunity from the gas chamber is a sell out move. A trip to see the SS might have broken his case apart and make another witness (DeCarlo) useless. They are inadmissible on direct examination because the answers are deemed unreliable. Anyone?Or..to paraphrase others: Life is going to knock you on your ass from time to time. My usage of it is very much in the biblical sense. The twenty-year-old girl was arrested in New Hampshire yesterday on a fugitive warrant for Los Angeles police who want to question her in connection with the murder of . My apologies Dreath. Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? The TLB story, maybe above all others, is NOT a black/white or good/bad story. And to ziggy, Lynne penny and the rest you are welcome and thank you your comments mean a lot and inspire me. In that case, Helter Skelter, even to this day, still STIMULATES the economy which is STILL a good thing, in a capitalist society. Her Other Children Bob Kasabian St Circumstance saidThat's the point lol. After all, before August '69 was out, she had told at least 4 people {and possibly 6} about the murders or events surrounding them, but not LE. Linda basically went through a couple of year speed bump in the Big picture. Like the silly hitchhiking story about Wilson, I now wonder if her account of meeting with the Spahn circle wasn't another white wash. St Circumstance saidThe "They had really bad backgrounds and nowhere else to turn" sympathy is appropriate in cases like.It's paradoxical. Some things I read even suggested physical abuse. Squeaky Fromme, David K Frazier. "Furthermore, to varying degrees the women believed in their cause. While she has a husband who is knocking off some other woman and she's worried about her child. She eventually turned herself in and agreed to become the lead witness for the prosecution in exchange for her own immunity. Deemers doesn't have her even having one but since Mark Ross and others are on the list he must have been updating after she got picked up? Both began their move away from straight society as young teens. Even her Mum acknowledged that.Don't waste your tears for Linda and LeslieI'm a human being, St. ORWHUT: Very perceptive. SorryDo no such thing ! I am quite sure that the answer to number 4 is Helter Skelter Mr. H.I an not sure that was the real reason Charlie instigated the murders -but that is the reason Linda,Tex,Katie,Leslie and Susan went and committed them.They have all been saying so for many years.We can try to figure it out ourselves. And there are events that logically it seems she had to see that she says she didn't. "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." Her association with substance abusers was still the same. That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. I thought Lake Victoria was the source of denial, but it appears to be somewhere in New Hampshire.Mother Kasabian is one of those people who live in a vacuum, in some freaky parallel universe.Linda didn't make a binary change to 16 year old, dropout, and rogue's bride as characterized. It was dark for 4 or 5 hours, after it had been dark.Q. The failed policies of passive resistance, marching and speeches must give way to the use of violence to bring about social change because the pigs are using violence against us. Also Known As: Linda Darlene Kasabian, Linda Darlene Drouin, Spouse/Ex-: Robert Peasley (m. 1965 div.. 1966). Because the logical conclusion of your implication is that he was obsessed with "getting" Charles Manson, even to the extent that he would frame an innocent man and see him rot in jail for life. I don't know anyone who defends the victims who thinks she is any kind of a heroBut again. But at least he had an excuse Grim- respectfully one question:No hard and fast rules agreed, but let me ask you this?Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? Pat, in Guinn's book, presents herself as not wanting the murders to happen, going so far as to say that the following night at Waverley, before anthing happened with Rosemary, she prayed to God, asking him to make the murders stop and since she went ahead and exercised her own free will in participating in carnage and mutilation and God didn't strike her down and stop her, Leslie or Tex, she's not believed in God since that night.And she has a problem with Linda presenting herself as not being a willing participant.As a side issue, if Linda hadn't been at the car when they arrived at it after Cielo's action, would they have just driven off and left her ? So that is another mystery.All in all, I'd say what he could/should have been charged with doesn't add up to a life in prison and being America's poster boy for evil.I'll also say I don't think the case was handled properly and that he was used by various people for political and personal ambitions and while he is no angel, I don't think he is all bad and find him to be far smarter than the average idiot you deal with on a day to day basis. In case anyone is wondering, any reports of Manson's death are at this point to be considered exaggerated. The getaway driver that Tex laid into for starting the car, whom he didn't let drive.Linda doesn't sound so willing, really. The two split up, but reconnected when Robert invited Linda to come out to California. There wasn't enough room in the car for Cappy to go, so WHY didn't SHE just hitch a ride down to the hamburger stand, slit a throat and steal some fries ? Those people would have gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watsonwhich as far as I can see was a good thing. Did both sides not do that quite a lot though ? At least ONE Black man personally died in the jungles of Vietnam so HE could get a FREE Blow-Job. He is expressing his opinion just like RH, me, you, Saint, etc. It is time to bring the world-wide struggle- the war, back to the US to raise up the black man and bring down capitalism. I can still see Bill Nelson (Molesto)'s banner headline when he did the Lady Dangerous report. As opposite the teachings of Christ as one can get.Is Linda a good person? Linda Kasabian was a 20-year-old hippie with a young daughter when she met Charles Manson and moved to his desert ranch in July 1969. The ones who actually did it and had to pay for it all say the same thing. It's questionable to anybody with an objectionable mind who can smell bullshit. Because her fashions were different. On August 8, 1969, Linda was selected to drive the killers to the Tate residence because she had the only valid driver's license. [Off course he goes adding a third objection. He didn't. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? Same with Shea. The next night, she again drove the family including the previous night members as well as Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to the house of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, rich owners of a grocery store chain. ID of S.E. I did know that that was, the plan was to murder two women inside the house. While the attorneys dropped the defense on the ground's they didn't want their clients to commit suicide, Fitzgerald at least voiced the opinion it would have been suicide for Manson as well, as it would have only proven Bugliosi's case right.What is funny, is that Manson is demonized for supposedly trying to make the girls take the rap to save him. That's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from me. To me, it was just what was happening as I went through it.As for there being alternative possibilities, that's rather like saying there was a Wednesday last week. Very Well Saidand again. How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the group. And for me it doesn't matter so much 'why?'. And then there are universal "changes" in "perceptions" that take place over extended time. Not even in her Grand Jury testimony did Atkins say anythingAtkins was never pushed on it. It's always the Charlie supporters who make those statements and spread those stories about other motivesDuring one of her parole hearings, Pat did make a statement about "the two women in the house" which some have picked up and conflated with the "Sharon wasn't supposed to be there" red herring. He also said that what was needed was corroboration and that it didn't really matter who ended up as the star witness.It's true that he had little to no case against Leslie at that point, but Diane Lake changed that forever. The other day you were hating on people who never killed one single communist or burned one village, because they used their draft deferrments to wait out the war. Linda Kasabian Who Is She: Kasabian was the Family member who eventually turned on the Family. Testifying before the jury that it was all them and Charlie had nothing to do with it isn't exactly the best way to demonstrate the prosecutor was wrong. But Pat's "Rise" and "Death to pigs" is arguably the Family's calling card and one of the main pointers to Charlie. That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED for.One intelligent Prosecutor, One competent Defense Attorney, One Judicially savy Judge and WHO really cares what a bunch of "moon rocks" THINK - it was a "robbery. Millie McCormack. I try to do that. ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? Grim, Ok, but quoting Bugliosi is sort of like quoting one of us. Bob Kasabian wanted to go and storm the castle gates to retrieve Tonya but that would have resulted in danger for all 3 Kasabians. She said on that tape she wasn't afraid of getting busted because what she did was right and had to be done. Atkins did tell the Grand Jury Sharon was still roped up even though Abigail had escaped her ropes. The "They had really bad backgrounds and nowhere else to turn" sympathy is appropriate in cases like Diane Lake and Ruth. very young, and not absent- but actually encouraging and contributing to the delinquency of their kids type of parents.But not Linda. Linda married again, this time to a hippie named Robert Kasabian. The couple had a daughter named Tanya who was born in 1968. There wouldn't have been any need for any of these victims to have been murdered so mercilessly. I stand by the observation that no one is totally bad. Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible war (murder). But what happened before and after that. Bruce, Tex, Leslie, Susan, Pat, Clem and Bobby all in one way or another made something of their lives without imploding. And what that says to me is any answer that follows that last question is unreliable. You are certainly entitled to that because we can't read her mind. I love Bill Kurtis, just the way he would say "body" (somewhere between body and buddy, so I can imagine his pronunciation of Linda's last name would be intriguing. However, she purposely knocked on the wrong door due to which the mission was aborted. She kept away from media attention except for once when she agreed to do an interview for an American television program A Current Affair in 1988. 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